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Monday
Jan252010

It Was All A Giant HOAX: World misled over Himalayan glacier meltdown

The man-made global warming lies continue to be exposed; it just keeps getting worse for the pseudo-science some once regarded as sacrosanct.

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(UPDATED BELOW)

A WARNING that climate change will melt most of the Himalayan glaciers by 2035 is likely to be retracted after a series of scientific blunders by the United Nations body that issued it.

Two years ago the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) issued a benchmark report that was claimed to incorporate the latest and most detailed research into the impact of global warming. A central claim was the world's glaciers were melting so fast that those in the Himalayas could vanish by 2035.

In the past few days the scientists behind the warning have admitted that it was based on a news story in the New Scientist, a popular science journal, published eight years before the IPCC's 2007 report.

It has also emerged that the New Scientist report was itself based on a short telephone interview with Syed Hasnain, a little-known Indian scientist then based at Jawaharlal Nehru University in Delhi.

Hasnain has since admitted that the claim was "speculation" and was not supported by any formal research. If confirmed it would be one of the most serious failures yet seen in climate research. The IPCC was set up precisely to ensure that world leaders had the best possible scientific advice on climate change.

Professor Murari Lal, who oversaw the chapter on glaciers in the IPCC report, said he would recommend that the claim about glaciers be dropped: "If Hasnain says officially that he never asserted this, or that it is a wrong presumption, than I will recommend that the assertion about Himalayan glaciers be removed from future IPCC assessments."

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Continue reading at the Times UK  >>

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Update 1:  Public Admission of Fault -- January 20, 2010

UN climate chief PUBLICLY admits mistake on Himalayan glaciers warning  >>

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Update 2:  Even More Mistakes -- January 23, 2010

UN climate change expert: there could be MANY MORE errors in report  >>

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Update 3:  IPCC Chief Knew Data Was False, But Lied to Put Political Pressure on World Leaders

I Lied and I Had My Reasons  >>

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Update 4:  Resignation Demanded  -- January 24, 2010

Scathing Call for IPCC Chief to Resign  >>

 

 

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Can it possibly be that simple? (Professor Murari Lal, who oversaw the chapter on glaciers in the IPCC report, said he would recommend that the claim about glaciers be dropped: "If Hasnain says officially that he never asserted this, or that it is a wrong presumption, than I will recommend that the assertion about Himalayan glaciers be removed from future IPCC assessments.")

That's it? "Sorry, we fucked up. Never mind."

This is the "science" that has dramatically altered world-wide economic and geopolitical decision making?

How did we get here?
Jan 17, 2010 at 10:54 PM | Unregistered CommenterOberron4life
no f*cking shit...how did we get here...it's a stunning article...
Jan 18, 2010 at 12:16 AM | Registered CommenterDailyBail
How about this data source from satalites?

Himalayan Glacier Melting Observed From Space
ScienceDaily (Mar. 28, 2007) — The Himalaya, the "Roof of the World", source of the seven largest rivers of Asia are, like other mountain chains, suffering the effects of global warming. To assess the extent of melting of its 33 000 km2 of glaciers, scientists have been using a process they have been pioneering for some years.

Satellite-imagery derived glacier surface topographies obtained at intervals of a few years were adjusted and compared. Calculations indicated that 915 km2 of Himalayan glaciers of the test region, Spiti/Lahaul (Himachal Pradesh, India) thinned by an annual average of 0.85 m between 1999 and 2004. The technique is still experimental, but it has been validated in the Alps and could prove highly effective for watching over all the Himalayan glacier systems. However, the procedure for achieving a reliable estimate must overcome a number of sources of error and approximation inherent in satellite-based observations.

The researchers started by retrieving satellite data for two periods, 2000 and 2004. A digital field model was extracted for each of them, representing the topography of a ground reference point in digital form and therefore usable in computerized processing. The earliest topography of the area studied was provided by NASA which observed 80% of the Earth's surface during the Shuttle Radar Topographic Mission of February 2000. Then, in November 2004, two 2.5 m resolution images of the same area taken at two different angles were acquired especially by the French satellite Spot5 in the framework of an ISIS (CNES) project.

Comparison of these two images has helped build a field model, a Digital Elevation Model (DEM), by stereoscopic photogrammetric techniques . The DEM model reveals that NASA radar data underestimate values at high altitudes and overestimate them at lower altitudes. And the Spot satellite produces an uncertainty of +/- 25 m in the horizontal positioning of images.


Moreover, as the authorities of the major Himalayan countries (India, Pakistan, China) do not permit public access to detailed topographic maps or aerial photographs of these sensitive cross-border regions, no reference is available for satellite observation error assessment and correction. It is therefore by comparing the SRTM and SPOT5 topographies using stable non-glaciated areas around glaciers that researchers have been able to adjust for the deviations and superimpose the two digital field models. These comparisons gave the bases for a map of glacier elevation (and hence thickness) variations for altitude intervals of 100 m over the period 2000-2004.

The results show clear regression of the large glaciers whose terminal tongues reach the lowest levels (about 4000 m) with a thinning of 8 to 10 m below 4400 m. Such loss is 4 to 7 m between 4400 and 5000 m, passing to 2 m above 5000 m. The satellite image evaluation yields an average mass balance of --0.7 to --0.85 m/a water equivalent for the 915 km2 of glaciers surveyed, a total mass loss of 3.9 km3 of water in 5 years. In order to check these results and validate the procedure, the satellite-derived results were compared with the mass balance for the small glacier Chhota Shigri (15 km2) determined from the field measurements and surveys, performed between 2002 and 2004 by the Great Ice research unit and its Indian partners. The mass balance determined from these field data and that calculated from satellite data agree. For both evaluation methods, Chhota Shigri glacier appears to have lost an average of a little over 1 m of ice per year.

These results are in line with global estimates for glacier made for the period between 2001 and 2004. The approach is therefore being extended to other areas of the Himalaya in order to gain more information on the still poorly known changes taking place in the region's glaciers, which are a water resource on which tens of millions of people depend.

Reference: Berthier Etienne, Arnaud Yves, Kumar Rajesh, Ahmad Sarfaraz, Wagnon Patrick, Chevallier Pierre - Remote sensing estimates of glacier mass balances in the Himachal Pradesh (Western Himalaya, India), Remote Sensing of the Environment. DOI : 10.1016/j.rse.2006.11.017
Jan 19, 2010 at 9:18 AM | Unregistered Commentermetalearner
It is all Agenda 21 lies to create the “problem”, to make their “solution” more palatable… Agenda 21 overrides the Constitution and State and local government, in the name of unelected bureaucrats. Both parties have gotten us here.

Legend states that crabs are easier to boil than frogs, Iknow it to be true for crabs, but I tend to like my frogs fried.

Frogs placed into a pot of hot water, will jump out to safety. In a pot of crabs, however, if one crab crawls up the pot from the hot water to escape, the other crabs will pull him back down so they all cook together.

Frogs are individualists who will save their skins and know their minds. Crabs are egalitarian communitarians. What is good for one is good for all. Most Americans are either frogs or crabs. Frogs cherish their bodies, private property, and demand personal responsibility for medical decisions and medical directions. Crabs cherish the state, its central control, and state medical decisions for everyone in the group.

Crabs live by Hegel’s philosophy that whatever is efficient is right.

Most tend to live by the crab world view. SNK, this link is the tent lady in Alaska.

http://nord.twu.net/acl/agenda21.html

http://www.amerikanexpose.com/agenda21/index3.html
Jan 19, 2010 at 11:25 AM | Unregistered CommenterS. Gompers
I don't know nothin' about glaciers, so until recently, I've relied on scientist to tell me what's up. The problem with that is I'm realizing our "scientists" are frigging snake oil salesman. Here's two examples:

The FBI admits it can't really tell if bullets came from the same box using metal compostion:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100118/ap_on_re_us/us_discredited_bullet_evidence

Or my favorite from 2009: NASA celebrates the discovery of water on the moon...

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9140820/NASA_finds_lots_of_water_from_moon_crash_tests

I should probably note that for forty years, NASA insisted that that there is not now, nor has there ever been water on the moon.

And apparently, no one has told Tufts University yet:
http://www.tufts.edu/as/astronomy/LangChap2.html

I really think we need to re-examine our view of scientists. In many ways, they are as big a disappointment as our clergy, political leaders and economists.
Jan 19, 2010 at 2:01 PM | Unregistered Commentermark mchugh
All this nonsense is exactly what makes me laugh at all the Conspiracy Theorists.

Conspiracies? Give me a friggin break! For just one thing: who would run them? The world is filled with dipshits who can't even do their own limited job with any semblance of compentency. But somehow; in the background they are Macavellian geniuses who manipulate everything?

Oh wait! Maybe stupidity is just their Cover? <g>

Get a grip! It's all bullshit! <g>

PHM
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Jan 21, 2010 at 10:09 AM | Unregistered CommenterPoodle Head Mikey
Agenda 21 is not a conspiracy theory, so get back in the pot young crabby. Agenda 21 is treaty law, which supercede’s Constitutions, Federal, and state laws, for the signing nations (we did). Agenda 21 was the main outcome of the United Nation's Earth Summit held in Rio de Janeiro in 1992. Agenda 21 outlines, in detail, the UN's vision for a centrally managed global society. This contract binds governments around the world to the United Nation's plan for controlling the way we live, eat, learn, move and communicate - all under the noble and false banner of saving the earth. If fully implemented, Agenda 21 would have the government involved in every aspect of life of every human on earth.

Global warming is part of this hoax.

Agenda 21 spreads it tentacles from Governments, to federal and local authorities, and right down to community groups. Chapter 28 of Agenda 21 specifically calls for each community to formulate its own Local Agenda 21: ”Each local authority should enter into a dialogue with its citizens, local organizations, and private enterprises to formulate 'a Local Agenda 21.' Through consultation and consensus-building, local authorities would learn from citizens and from local, civic, community, business and industrial organizations and acquire the information needed for formulating the best strategies.” - Agenda 21, Chapter 28, sec 1.3

At the summit 179 nations officially signed Agenda 21 and many more have followed since. Nearly 12,000 local and federal authorities have legally committed themselves to the Agenda. In practice this means that all their plans and policies must begin with an assessment of how the plan or policy meets the requirements of Agenda 21, and no plans or policies are allowed to contradict any part of the Agenda. Local authorities are audited by UN inspectors and the results of the audits are placed on the UN website.

“The world is filled with dipshits who can't even do their own limited job with any semblance of compentency.”

That is why it will be completely f-cked up for the rest of us, more government is never the answer. Especially one that we do not vote for (U.N.). You should probably check out the treaty.

But then again, you are probably right, the U.N. probably does not exist, which means it has not been working against America in the name of globalism all these years.

Boy, we will all sleep better tonight, wait a minute, who are the dudes in blue helmets I see on t.v. in Haiti right now?
Jan 21, 2010 at 11:01 AM | Unregistered CommenterS. Gompers
"Conspiracies? Give me a friggin break! For just one thing: who would run them? The world is filled with dipshits who can't even do their own limited job with any semblance of compentency."

Exactly PHM,

Top on the list of dipshits are these clowns who spend their lives hiding in Universities cause they're too useless to find real work and the media who publishes their musings as gospel. It's Ghostbusters all over again....
Jan 21, 2010 at 11:07 AM | Unregistered Commentermark mchugh
nice response gompers..i learned a lot from your post...

mark, i couldn't agree more with this statement of yours...i also used to believe that science was pure...that's why this bothers me so much...all of climategate...these guys will make up anything for their political agenda...a sad, sad day when we can no longer trust science...

Mark wrote:

I don't know nothin' about glaciers, so until recently, I've relied on scientist to tell me what's up. The problem with that is I'm realizing our "scientists" are frigging snake oil salesman.
Jan 22, 2010 at 1:51 AM | Registered CommenterDailyBail
At least since Agenda 21 was created, all science is governed by politics. I f the U.N. does not like your hypothesis, you have a lot of trouble finding funding for your research.

Everyone should look more into Agenda 21.
Jan 22, 2010 at 11:52 AM | Unregistered CommenterS. Gompers
File this one under "hoaxes and meltdowns." In an otherwise interesting spat between Ron Paul and Paul Kanjorski, at about 13:45 Kanjorski claims that if TARP hadn't passed when it did, "almost every large bank in the United States and in the world would have collapsed within 72 hours."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX06TnsKnEI

We've all wondered what Congress was told in secret by Paulson and Bernanke. Well, if Kanjorski keeps flapping his Wall St.-captured jaws, we might get the whole damn story. This isn't the first time he's spilled the beans. Here's what we've got so far:

1. (On C-Span) "We were having an electronic run on the banks," and by 2 o'clock in the afternoon on September 15, 2008, "five and a half TRILLION dollars would have been drawn out of the money market system of the United States, would have collapsed the entire economy of the United States, and within 24 hours the world economy would have collapsed."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxz6gYIiFHc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xKPcyvlfnc (start at 2:10)

2. (In Congress) Kanjorski recounts some of Paulson's nightmare scenario in which "questions of law and order were asked,...questions of the capacity to feed the American people for what period of time were asked," and in which the world would have "gone back to the 16th century."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y_Rq7EyboY

3. (Today on Squawk Box) If TARP hadn't passed when it did, "almost every large bank in the United States and in the world would have collapsed within 72 hours."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX06TnsKnEI

What the hell is Eric Holder doing these days? We've got financial terrorists on the loose and no one's doing anything. Kanjorski was right about one thing -- we've got serious questions about law and order in this country when people can get away with this kind of crime in broad daylight.
Jan 25, 2010 at 9:59 PM | Unregistered CommenterJames H
james...nice work...i'll get it up...i didn't even know ron paul was on squawk this morning...missed it...kanjorski has been spreading his fear for a while...
Jan 25, 2010 at 10:59 PM | Registered CommenterDailyBail

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